sniping do's and donts!

[nikki6]

abid fan po ako ng snipers, and what are the things i should consider when handling a rifle inside the battlefield?


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------are there areas here in manila na pwedeng i-apply ung snipers? d po ba mga cqb lng ang events d2?

[mellvis]

Control. Newbies and high-powered FPS guns don't mix. I'm not saying all newbies are irresponsible. The point is that since you're new to airsoft, you have a higher tendency to lose control especially under frustration. For example, most blow their tops when they first encounter zombies (every once in a while you'll see them ranting about it on the gen. airsoft discussion board).

It's all up to the organizers whether snipers can play or not. I've seen snipers play in CQB, with restrictions of course. During the few times I played at CXG, we played against snipers there. Their guns were pretty weak though. I got hit and it didn't even leave a scratch.

[blue_helmet™]

in the outskirts of metro manila madami-dami rin...like in fairview sa north and in paranaque are naman sa south...

do's and dont's...i dont qualify to state some..d.m lang ako.. :D

[Denski Sison]

Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.

Never shoot within the range capabilities of assault rifles, machine guns, pistols.

Never give away your position by shooting a non priority target.

Never play sniping as assault.

Never assume sniping is cheap.

Never shoot more than 3 shots in one position/location.

Never stay too long in one location.

Do upgrade your rifle heavily for precision and long range (250feet precision accuracy on average)

Do know the capabilities of your rifle at each ranges.

Do know what the capabilities of your opponent's weapons.

Do know what your opponent's usual movements are.

Do know how to play it right.

[jomarx]

Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.

Never shoot within the range capabilities of assault rifles, machine guns, pistols.

Never give away your position by shooting a non priority target.

Never play sniping as assault.

Never assume sniping is cheap.

Never shoot more than 3 shots in one position/location.

Never stay too long in one location.

Do upgrade your rifle heavily for precision and long range (250feet precision accuracy on average)

Do know the capabilities of your rifle at each ranges.

Do know what the capabilities of your opponent's weapons.

Do know what your opponent's usual movements are.

Do know how to play it right.

Nice info sir! Saved and noted! The last part is the best. :icon_smile:

[Takuya]

Just to follow up an explanation on part of Denski's post, that also includes how to read your scope at different ranges. Each scope is different but it'll usually have markings for various ranges. It also depends on your hop up setting and the overall range of your rifle. So if it's dead center at 100 feet, it may not be when you fire at a target at 150 feet. So you gotta know how to aim at targets at different ranges.

My technique is putting targets at different ranges and shooting at them one after the other. I like my hop up setting to have the BB to start to fall after 150 feet or so. So I use the lower markings in my scope.


One last thing, Denski is oh so right about the moving around. Snipers are not supposed to stay in one position unless they're defending something. But even then you should still move around. After a few shots people already know where you are, and would either try to counter-snipe or flank you. Then you'd be a sitting duck. So fire a shot or two, hit or miss you have to move to a new location.

Some good snipers (like in the military in fact) already plot out alternate sniping spots, escape routes and hiding places for various situations. It'd be a good idea to try doing this as well. Ghillie suits won't be necessary either if you're good at hiding, positioning and sneaking around. :D Though ghillie suits do help if all you got going for you is visual cover like dead grass.

Hope that helps a bit.

[mxpxzx]

barilin mo lang kng san mararamdaman ng kalaban,, hnd kng saan masasaktan,, kaawa naman cla,, lakas pa naman baril,, hehehe,, hanapin mo to sir sa google "carlos hathcock" galing nyan, us marine sniper,

[majimbu]

when you are the marksman in your team, do what every body does not do - it will lead you to it.:icon_smile:

[chronos446]

wag na wag mong barilin in point blank range ang kalaban....instead do a knife kill..My friend once encountered this problem with a newbie airsofter. Yung newbie natataranta na kasi nauubos na yung team nila, so yung ginawa nya nagtago. By chance my friend passed by dun sa hiding place ng yung newbie na sniper and out of frustation binaril nya yung kaibigan ko in point lank range maybe mga 15feet or more.....nag leave ng scar and minor bleeding sa neck.Awts..:icon_biggrin:

[fas_element]

patience kailangan

[cityhunter]

Yup. Practice and patience ang required to be a sniper. Hindi madali at expensive ang role na ito. It will demand a lot on the person so be prepared if you are seriously considering this role.

If you want a real life training ay maging bird watcherand photgrapher ka (bawal na ang hunting kasi at hindi dapat not unless you are hunting crooks dahil may badge ka). That will teach you the basics. Hindi pwede ang mainipin sa sniper at yun maiksi ang pasensya.

[niguevara]

@sir denski and cityhunter
gano kaexpensive ang role ng sniper? lets say that the setup of a sniper is 500fps? 550mm barrel?

[steyr]

patience kailangan

sa ingles...PATIENCE is virtue.:icon_smile:

ndi ka dapat mainipin.

dapat maganda location mo yung ndi ka nila kita pero kita mo sila.:icon_lol:

[Patch]

find a good position and as everyone is saying: BE PATIENT... :)

move after some shots, for as we (snipers) didn't know, we maybe a sitting duck on our post if we stayed there for long...... the OpFors can outwit us if we lose our focus on our role being a sniper.. :)

[Rene Lichauco]

Heheh.. here are some Dos and Donts which may be of help to you guys.

Dos....

- Do Develop a One shot Attitude. This will work wonders on GOING THE EXTRA MILE when searching for targets. Remember, Marksmen/Snipers are more Descriminating, Patient, Persevering etc etc... And Remember, theyre chosen from the regular grunts because of destinct qualities. Im not saying that YOU CANT play the role if youre not qualified.. thats the BEAUTY of AIRSOFT... you can play ANY ROLE.... but, You wont be effective as a sniper/marksman If you dont have the right attitude when playing.

- Do Camoflague your rifle. Use Burlap/Jute, or anything which can break the outline of your weapon. There are no Straight lines or black lines in nature, and your GUN... has a straight and black outline. if in an URBAN environment, wraping your gun with a Tan or grey Cloth will do.

- Do Know the "Max Effective Range" of your weapon. "Maximum Effective Range" is the range of your rifle where its IMPACT will still be Heard or Felt by your target. Where as Maximum Range, is only the Maximum REACH of your rifle... this is not nessecarily felt by your target upon impact. Knowing this, you will be able to guage if your "One Shot" will do its job.

- Do use a BB loader when loading AMMO. Your hands have OILS and GRIME which can affect the BB SPIN when it exits your Rifle. using a loader will minimize on bb exposure to oil, thus, maximizing your BBS Hop, translating to more range and very predictable flight paths.

- Do RECONOITER or RECON the area of operations before playing. The best asset of a sniper, is that he knows where to hide, where to create "hit and run" ambush points, where to exit when the $Hi#@^% hits the fan. Maximize the Environment you are in, and you will get the upper hand.

- Do keep calm when youve targeted your tangoes. Keeping calm enables you to analyze the situation. If you should shoot and skoot afterwards or if to even shoot at all. What use is a SNIPER/MARKSMAN if youve been spotted by your own target. remember: your best asset is not your gun.. its concealment.

- Do know what your teamates look like, or where they will be in relation to your current position. Your Job is to give YOUR teamates SUPPORTING DISCRIMINATE FIRE. Firing on them... makes your ENEMIES HAPPER THEN EXPECTED.

- Do use HUMAN SIZED TARGETS when plinking. Normaly, we use uber small coke cans, c2 bottles... so on an so fourth when plinking, then we say OUR GUNS ARE NOT THAT ACCURATE. Doing this you present yourself with an unrealistic target. Remember, in airsoft, we shoot people OUR SIZE.. a coke can is barely the size of a HUMAN HEAD. Use a VEST or an IPSC Cardboard target ( the one with a HUMAN SHAPE). Place it 130 - 170 feet away from you... doing so, you can actually guage your evectivity with ACTUAL SIZED targets.. similiar to the ones you will be Targeting during a game. You can acctually see if you can make a Headshot at range.. and hear what the BBS will actually sound like on impact, very satisfying if you ask me.

remember, our 500fps - 550 fps rifles have wear and tear and are NOT CHEAP to maintain. Our BBS can cost up to 2php a piece. Make each shot..in game or in plinking a learning experience to make your marksmanship much better as you go on in airsoft.

Here are some Donts.

- Dont FLAUNT your STUFF before the game starts. Advertising that YOU ARE A SNIPER/MARKSMAN, gives your enemies an opportunity to re-evaluate thier strategy before the game starts. Keep a low profile. Theres a reason why in the realworld, DESIGNATED MARKSMEN LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER SOLDIER, so they dont present themselves as a PRIORITY TARGET.

Ifyou have to wear your ghillie, do so and be silent about it... it may be a fashon show somtimes, but this will risk you being a prime target if youre not careful about it.

- DONT travel with the MAIN FORCE if wearing a GHILLIE. Doing this, youre bound to be seen by the other camp, therefore giving yourself away even before you fire a single shot. DMS on the otherhand, are free to mingle within the main force. Theyre supposed to do so.

- DONT focus too much on your target. The Main weakness of a Sniper/Marksman is his FLANKS, always look 360degrees everynow and then for FLANKERS and other SNIPERS who are emploring COUNTER SNIPER TACTICS.

- DONT Stay in one position.. contrary to popular belief, SNIPER CAMPING does not increase the snipers effectivity.. infact.. if Gives the enemy a chance to counter your position. Remember, as a sniper... you are the HUNTER... Hunters are one step ahead of the prey. Move from one place to another to keep your prey GUESSING.

- DONT focus too much on your weapons bells and whistles. Focusing too much on accessories, somtimes if not most, makes you, the sniper, rely more on the GUN for kills. the heavier it becomes, the more you will NOT WANT to MOVE AROUND. It is Gettting to your target that makes a HUNTER a HUNTER. If you cant hit a target with a basic 490fps rifle with a scope...or even get to your target with a lite weapon what more a heavy, fully accessorized gun that can snag on branches, break in two, or get mudied and dirty. better re evaluate your role preferences.

- DONT use TREES as hiding spots. Wether at the BASE or as a TREE SNIPER.... DONT... just DONT. Because thats the 1st place your tangoes will be looking for you, and if youre spotted, specially if up on the branches.. where the hek will you escape to when it rains 6mm bbs from the enemy?.... basta... pls... dont...pls

- DONT rely on GUNSMITHS when it comes to your own rifle. Know how your weapon operates. Doing so, you will pour more LOVE AND CARE to your rifle, taking care of it and knowing how to fix it or TWEAK it will make your ONE SHOTS even more meaningful.


yan... thats all i could think of as of the moment.. :)

[niguevara]

@sir Rene Lichauco - dami ko natutunan!salamat sir!

OT : where can i buy books about sniping?

[Patch]

me and my L96, hands down to you sir Rene Lichauco!... :)

[shuttershotmigo]

thanks KULTABASHI! idol!

[lester_barretto]

kelangan ata may handgun ang sniper parang sa CS para di mataranta

[Toretto]

wat guns po magandang gamiten?

[Heckler]

practice stealth

[painkilla]

listen to sir DENSKI and sir KULTABASHI kasi isa sila sa mga premier sniper ng AIRSOFT...anyway thanks to your infos mga sir..

--if im not mistaken mahal talaga ang MAINTENANCE ng pang SNIPE...but its well worth it naman...tingnan nyo naman sila sir DENSKI and KULTABASHI...

[nikki6]

Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.

Never shoot within the range capabilities of assault rifles, machine guns, pistols.

Never give away your position by shooting a non priority target.

Never play sniping as assault.

Never assume sniping is cheap.

Never shoot more than 3 shots in one position/location.

Never stay too long in one location.

Do upgrade your rifle heavily for precision and long range (250feet precision accuracy on average)

Do know the capabilities of your rifle at each ranges.

Do know what the capabilities of your opponent's weapons.

Do know what your opponent's usual movements are.

Do know how to play it right.

CHECK! sir denski, i have been learning from your words since the first day! sana makaharap ko na kau this days!

[hyperalergelo]

Loud and clear sir!!! hehe!!!:icon_biggrin:


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- DONT rely on GUNSMITHS when it comes to your own rifle. Know how your weapon operates. Doing so, you will pour more LOVE AND CARE to your rifle, taking care of it and knowing how to fix it or TWEAK it will make your ONE SHOTS even more meaningful.


the best tong linyang to.. hehe!! tama nga naman.. dpat lam mo ayusin sarili mong riffle..:icon_biggrin:

[Bogs Reyes]

that's how real sniper do it. they get to know their rifle. by that i mean how far you can shoot effectively....not just how far you can shoot. knowing what it can do under different conditions, how to move with it in different situations and terrain.

[Sniper_Wudz]

A spotter can also be useful...though not a requirement

He can serve as your back-up when opfors are coming closer, since your sniper rifle cannot engage in close proximity

[Guimo]

ang pagiging sniper.. pwestuhan lng yn!:icon_biggrin:

[isnypie]

being sniper is the hardest role.. dapat mahaba pasensya mo and magaling ka magtago:icon_biggrin:

[SolidTots]

cool. mostly po ba springer gamit nyo?

[nikki6]

This is my first thread, and after a few months i have learned a lot esp. from sir denski
i hope that this thread maybe usefull to other aspiring snipers

@ sir solitots,

mostly ang gamit ay springers,(this os for low end rifles pero pwerful din pag naapgrade na) if you want to invest on a rifle mag onetime bigtime kna maybe a co2 type mas maganda.

[Rene Lichauco]

This is my first thread, and after a few months i have learned a lot esp. from sir denski
i hope that this thread maybe usefull to other aspiring snipers

@ sir solitots,

mostly ang gamit ay springers,(this os for low end rifles pero pwerful din pag naapgrade na) if you want to invest on a rifle mag onetime bigtime kna maybe a co2 type mas maganda.


Errr.... medyo dilekado ata ang c02 brother.... aside from the fact that it may not be allowed in regular gamesights.. you may risk Hurting someone especially with the HIGH FPS a CO2 rifle can generate

[nikki6]

Errr.... medyo dilekado ata ang c02 brother.... aside from the fact that it may not be allowed in regular gamesights.. you may risk Hurting someone especially with the HIGH FPS a CO2 rifle can generate

ahehehe sorry sir for misinforming naphiya pako dun:icon_redface:, go for springers with edgi upgrades. VSR10 would do.
CO2's are sugesstion only and i even moentioned mostly on springer sorry sir.
fond lng ako sa CO2 rifles

thank you sir for the info.

[Rene Lichauco]

ahehehe sorry sir for misinforming naphiya pako dun:icon_redface:, go for springers with edgi upgrades. VSR10 would do.
CO2's are sugesstion only and i even moentioned mostly on springer sorry sir.
fond lng ako sa CO2 rifles

thank you sir for the info.

Its ok:) no harm done to anyone.. pati rin naman ako, C02 gamit before... di nga lang pang airsoft:)

[hammersickle]

Do: Shoot and relocate!
Don't : Go into a game without sighting in your scope! :icon_lol:


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Oh, it also requires a lot of patience too!

[nikki6]

yep! zero you scope muna before going into battlefields, its so hard/difficult if your still calibrating your scope while the fight is on.

[josheejosh]

shoot and relocate! i 2nd that sir hammersickle!

[Extreme]

Pants should always be untacked and never wore knee pads if you are wearing a full ghuillie suit.:icon_smile: Always stay invinsible and stay calm with focus. Do a slight movements if necessary when defending an area. :icon_smile:

[Denski Sison]

Actually its better if you tuck in your pants inside your boots... it prevents creepy crawlies from riding up your legs. Just wear appropriate color boots for cammo... never wear black colored boots.

[Rene Lichauco]

heto.. dagdag..

DRINK WATER.. lots of it...

A dehydrated sniper is a DEAD sniper!:p

[miLez SAGA]

never wear black colored boots ..


i agree on this one .. actually i use a combination of sand and tan colored boots , for all of my BDU

[soliton]

ang gaganda ng mga tips nyo mga sirs.... tanong ko po pwede po bang magdala ng handgun ang snipers incase of close range or flanking???

[Rene Lichauco]

ang gaganda ng mga tips nyo mga sirs.... tanong ko po pwede po bang magdala ng handgun ang snipers incase of close range or flanking???

It is BETTER to have a handgun, para you have it na agad when you need it:)

[jci]

Woohoo! The sniper guru is here! Welcome Rene! :icon_biggrin:

[Bogs Reyes]

Handguns really help in very tight spots you might get yourself into. I currently do not have one, so one game day, I crawled so far into the hotzone that I found msyelf right smack in the middle of the enemy defense postions. I was too close to fire shots with my rifle, so I opted to crawl away and shoot from a far. It was a missed opportunity and a lesson learned.

[vegas_girl_22]

puede bang mp5k ang back up instead of a hand gun?

[yohan]

Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.


i like this one hehe!

[sneaky]

nice thread...

[Bogs Reyes]

puede bang mp5k ang back up instead of a hand gun?

I guess it depends. My advise, go with the handgun. I've tried lugging around an MP5K and it was just terrible. Hard to crawl. But again, it depends on your game play. Remember you already have a long weapon to begin with, the MP5k is still not as small as a pistol.

[Denski Sison]

When crawling in the underbrush, your number one headache would be snagging. If you can manage to secure your mp5k from snagging why not. If you dont crawl in the underbrush and just play marksman why not. If you can secure your mp5k from swaying when you run why not. If you can handle the additional weight why not.

Most often times snipers hike the long way round... pass through impassable thickets... climb through where no one else would climb... go through extra lenghts just to get a good vantage point... that is why they only bring necesseties. Additional weight will burden you.

[rayjimg]

Don't forget that you're holding a sniper.... don't shoot somebody like how you do it with a m4 rifle... mesaket!!!

[tupac]

good day sir! what hand gun would you recommend for a newbie sniper?

[Denski Sison]

Base competition guns are reliable... TM hicapa's and the KSC glocks for its auto function. Snipers are also good pistol players. They rely on their secondaries for CQB as much as they rely on their rifles for long range shooting.

[demonized]

sirs,, i am just new at this hobby or sport,,, for me iwould prefer to be a marksman,, sniping is one of my dream position,, however i lack knowledge in this field,, i was hoping you can help with choosing my guns,, sniping rules,, scope reading, ranging targets, and other stuff,,

what type of gun should i buy first, i really dont know gun models except for dragunuv,

[cityhunter]

Hi, Sir demonized. Huwag ka na mag Dragunov as mabibitin ka lang. Invest instead in a good standard AK. Best kung full stock but okay lang kung trip mo yun folding stock version basta huwag lang yun old S models na sa ilalim ang fold ng stock. Kapag full stock kasi mas maganda yun protection against the elements ang battery mo lalo na kung lipoly.

Standard AK para room for upgrades. Invest in a mid-cap magazine para hindi mahirap to go prone. Its shorter pa kaya hindi problema na sumabit accidentally siya. Don't improve the outside looks too much. Instead invest in improving the internals para sleeper concept. Magugulat na lang mga kalaban mo sa performance when its too late na.

Don't bother with scopes not unless you can afford to protect well the lens. Ranging targets is easy. Zero mo sa backyard or before you skirmish but not inside an enclosed space. Ang pinakamahirap sa sniper wannabee is practicing patience. It doesn't mean na yun first target ang agad mo kunin. As a sniper support asset ka not the main one. You are there to protect the forward team from threats.

Hi, Sir tupac. I strongly discourage you not to get a pistol kung sniper ka. Instead, invest in another AEG or GBBR na compact version ng primary mo not unless bolt-action yun. Mag compact rifle or SMG ka. Yan ang gawain na ng real life snipers natin even in the AFP. Well, they still carry pistols but at the very least between the sniper and the spotter may automatic rifle na compact silang dala.

Been there done that ika nga as a skirmisher. Mas ideal kung bullpup yun sniper rifle mo para compact yet long barrel. I tried the FA MAS and L85 first gen na and nice naman. Itapon mo yun bipod as useless yan. Matuto ka gumamit ng improvised bench rest instead. AUG kasi old school gas gun lang but I heard the AUG AEG is a good platform rin. Yun nga lang yun AUG na China ang isa sa mga unang itinigil ang production during the crackdown sa China from what I heard.

Sniping rules ay katulad pa rin ng dati - don't hit the soft parts and instead target the armored parts para naman walang serious injury mangyari.

Why not a pistol as a sidearm? When things get hot believe me bitin ang pistol mo kahit high capacity pa ito. Minimum dapat shotgun para may range but bitin pa rin sa ammo load. Yan yun personal experience by a friend's friend na naging merc sa Bosnia then. Walang kwenta yun Desert Eagle .357 niya when his AUG went dry. Shotgun na dapat - he he, now you know bakit ayaw ko bitiwan GBB shotgun ko kahit bibihira na ako makalaro.

[Denski Sison]

Why a pistol as a side arm?

1. Compact and light
2. Doesnt snag alot unlike another primary gun
3. Concealable
4. Doesnt sway alot unlike another primary gun

Try lugging around two primaries in bivuoac games and you'll know the reason why you need to carry an additional 2 liters of water in a camelback. You need to cover alot of ground. You need to do surveilance and info gathering. You need to be in places where no one else will go. You are the eyes and ears of your team... their guardian angel... their protector. You need to be in the right place at the right time and you will be moving alot under concealment.

As an airsoft sniper/marskman, your primary shooting ranges are from long distances. If you let the opponent get near you... your dead. A secondary is a "just in case" fallback. The less you need to use a secondary, the more you are doing your job properly. The more you use your secondary, the less you are doing your job properly. Using your secondary more often than your primary... might as well play assault instead of sniper/marksman.

You dont need to be shooting alot even for CQB circumstances. Controlled shooting. Your suppose to shoot and scoot... evade... go to ranges where you have the advantage. CQB fighting is just for you to protect yourself so that you can fallback to better positions. Your not suppose to do assault work. Leave that to the assault team and do your job properly... protect your assault team so they can do their job properly as well.

Shoot. If opponents get near, fall back. Shoot again at ranges they are not capable of achieving. Do not stand your ground and be like Rambo. Sniping tactics are sneaky tactics. You only shoot where your opponents are at a disadvantage. This is a thinking playtype... not shoot, pray and shoot some more.

Airsoft sniping is different from real life sniping... for one, we dont have the same range capabilites of real sniper rifles. Some real life combat tactics will render you useless in airsoft... some airsoft tactics will get you killed in real life combat. True to all airsoft playtypes.

[ReoTora]

Many Pros and Cons About this one but very worthwhile to read...
Makes me want to be a 'Soge-king' Myself:icon_razz:

[guillotine 10]

It takes a lot of patience to excel in this field, for those aspiring to be snipers good luck.

[wakkafas]

sniping if your gun is high on FPS try shooting on vest or hard parts ; this is a gentlemans game wee want to enjoy not to hurt people

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btw snipers on CQB its like bringing a sword in a gun fight