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nikki6
August 10th, 2008, 21:52
abid fan po ako ng snipers, and what are the things i should consider when handling a rifle inside the battlefield?
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------are there areas here in manila na pwedeng i-apply ung snipers? d po ba mga cqb lng ang events d2?
mellvis
August 11th, 2008, 00:19
Control. Newbies and high-powered FPS guns don't mix. I'm not saying all newbies are irresponsible. The point is that since you're new to airsoft, you have a higher tendency to lose control especially under frustration. For example, most blow their tops when they first encounter zombies (every once in a while you'll see them ranting about it on the gen. airsoft discussion board).
It's all up to the organizers whether snipers can play or not. I've seen snipers play in CQB, with restrictions of course. During the few times I played at CXG, we played against snipers there. Their guns were pretty weak though. I got hit and it didn't even leave a scratch.
blue_helmet™
August 11th, 2008, 00:45
in the outskirts of metro manila madami-dami rin...like in fairview sa north and in paranaque are naman sa south...
do's and dont's...i dont qualify to state some..d.m lang ako.. :D
Denski Sison
August 11th, 2008, 08:33
Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.
Never shoot within the range capabilities of assault rifles, machine guns, pistols.
Never give away your position by shooting a non priority target.
Never play sniping as assault.
Never assume sniping is cheap.
Never shoot more than 3 shots in one position/location.
Never stay too long in one location.
Do upgrade your rifle heavily for precision and long range (250feet precision accuracy on average)
Do know the capabilities of your rifle at each ranges.
Do know what the capabilities of your opponent's weapons.
Do know what your opponent's usual movements are.
Do know how to play it right.
jomarx
August 11th, 2008, 08:42
Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.
Never shoot within the range capabilities of assault rifles, machine guns, pistols.
Never give away your position by shooting a non priority target.
Never play sniping as assault.
Never assume sniping is cheap.
Never shoot more than 3 shots in one position/location.
Never stay too long in one location.
Do upgrade your rifle heavily for precision and long range (250feet precision accuracy on average)
Do know the capabilities of your rifle at each ranges.
Do know what the capabilities of your opponent's weapons.
Do know what your opponent's usual movements are.
Do know how to play it right.
Nice info sir! Saved and noted! The last part is the best. :icon_smile:
Takuya
August 11th, 2008, 09:12
Just to follow up an explanation on part of Denski's post, that also includes how to read your scope at different ranges. Each scope is different but it'll usually have markings for various ranges. It also depends on your hop up setting and the overall range of your rifle. So if it's dead center at 100 feet, it may not be when you fire at a target at 150 feet. So you gotta know how to aim at targets at different ranges.
My technique is putting targets at different ranges and shooting at them one after the other. I like my hop up setting to have the BB to start to fall after 150 feet or so. So I use the lower markings in my scope.
One last thing, Denski is oh so right about the moving around. Snipers are not supposed to stay in one position unless they're defending something. But even then you should still move around. After a few shots people already know where you are, and would either try to counter-snipe or flank you. Then you'd be a sitting duck. So fire a shot or two, hit or miss you have to move to a new location.
Some good snipers (like in the military in fact) already plot out alternate sniping spots, escape routes and hiding places for various situations. It'd be a good idea to try doing this as well. Ghillie suits won't be necessary either if you're good at hiding, positioning and sneaking around. :D Though ghillie suits do help if all you got going for you is visual cover like dead grass.
Hope that helps a bit.
mxpxzx
March 18th, 2009, 23:58
barilin mo lang kng san mararamdaman ng kalaban,, hnd kng saan masasaktan,, kaawa naman cla,, lakas pa naman baril,, hehehe,, hanapin mo to sir sa google "carlos hathcock" galing nyan, us marine sniper,
majimbu
March 19th, 2009, 14:17
when you are the marksman in your team, do what every body does not do - it will lead you to it.:icon_smile:
chronos446
March 20th, 2009, 13:01
wag na wag mong barilin in point blank range ang kalaban....instead do a knife kill..My friend once encountered this problem with a newbie airsofter. Yung newbie natataranta na kasi nauubos na yung team nila, so yung ginawa nya nagtago. By chance my friend passed by dun sa hiding place ng yung newbie na sniper and out of frustation binaril nya yung kaibigan ko in point lank range maybe mga 15feet or more.....nag leave ng scar and minor bleeding sa neck.Awts..:icon_biggrin:
fas_element
March 23rd, 2009, 22:46
patience kailangan
cityhunter
March 26th, 2009, 09:52
Yup. Practice and patience ang required to be a sniper. Hindi madali at expensive ang role na ito. It will demand a lot on the person so be prepared if you are seriously considering this role.
If you want a real life training ay maging bird watcherand photgrapher ka (bawal na ang hunting kasi at hindi dapat not unless you are hunting crooks dahil may badge ka). That will teach you the basics. Hindi pwede ang mainipin sa sniper at yun maiksi ang pasensya.
niguevara
March 26th, 2009, 11:15
@sir denski and cityhunter
gano kaexpensive ang role ng sniper? lets say that the setup of a sniper is 500fps? 550mm barrel?
steyr
March 26th, 2009, 11:59
patience kailangan
sa ingles...PATIENCE is virtue.:icon_smile:
ndi ka dapat mainipin.
dapat maganda location mo yung ndi ka nila kita pero kita mo sila.:icon_lol:
Patch
March 26th, 2009, 12:34
find a good position and as everyone is saying: BE PATIENT... :)
move after some shots, for as we (snipers) didn't know, we maybe a sitting duck on our post if we stayed there for long...... the OpFors can outwit us if we lose our focus on our role being a sniper.. :)
Rene Lichauco
March 26th, 2009, 16:44
Heheh.. here are some Dos and Donts which may be of help to you guys.
Dos....
- Do Develop a One shot Attitude. This will work wonders on GOING THE EXTRA MILE when searching for targets. Remember, Marksmen/Snipers are more Descriminating, Patient, Persevering etc etc... And Remember, theyre chosen from the regular grunts because of destinct qualities. Im not saying that YOU CANT play the role if youre not qualified.. thats the BEAUTY of AIRSOFT... you can play ANY ROLE.... but, You wont be effective as a sniper/marksman If you dont have the right attitude when playing.
- Do Camoflague your rifle. Use Burlap/Jute, or anything which can break the outline of your weapon. There are no Straight lines or black lines in nature, and your GUN... has a straight and black outline. if in an URBAN environment, wraping your gun with a Tan or grey Cloth will do.
- Do Know the "Max Effective Range" of your weapon. "Maximum Effective Range" is the range of your rifle where its IMPACT will still be Heard or Felt by your target. Where as Maximum Range, is only the Maximum REACH of your rifle... this is not nessecarily felt by your target upon impact. Knowing this, you will be able to guage if your "One Shot" will do its job.
- Do use a BB loader when loading AMMO. Your hands have OILS and GRIME which can affect the BB SPIN when it exits your Rifle. using a loader will minimize on bb exposure to oil, thus, maximizing your BBS Hop, translating to more range and very predictable flight paths.
- Do RECONOITER or RECON the area of operations before playing. The best asset of a sniper, is that he knows where to hide, where to create "hit and run" ambush points, where to exit when the $Hi#@^% hits the fan. Maximize the Environment you are in, and you will get the upper hand.
- Do keep calm when youve targeted your tangoes. Keeping calm enables you to analyze the situation. If you should shoot and skoot afterwards or if to even shoot at all. What use is a SNIPER/MARKSMAN if youve been spotted by your own target. remember: your best asset is not your gun.. its concealment.
- Do know what your teamates look like, or where they will be in relation to your current position. Your Job is to give YOUR teamates SUPPORTING DISCRIMINATE FIRE. Firing on them... makes your ENEMIES HAPPER THEN EXPECTED.
- Do use HUMAN SIZED TARGETS when plinking. Normaly, we use uber small coke cans, c2 bottles... so on an so fourth when plinking, then we say OUR GUNS ARE NOT THAT ACCURATE. Doing this you present yourself with an unrealistic target. Remember, in airsoft, we shoot people OUR SIZE.. a coke can is barely the size of a HUMAN HEAD. Use a VEST or an IPSC Cardboard target ( the one with a HUMAN SHAPE). Place it 130 - 170 feet away from you... doing so, you can actually guage your evectivity with ACTUAL SIZED targets.. similiar to the ones you will be Targeting during a game. You can acctually see if you can make a Headshot at range.. and hear what the BBS will actually sound like on impact, very satisfying if you ask me.
remember, our 500fps - 550 fps rifles have wear and tear and are NOT CHEAP to maintain. Our BBS can cost up to 2php a piece. Make each shot..in game or in plinking a learning experience to make your marksmanship much better as you go on in airsoft.
Here are some Donts.
- Dont FLAUNT your STUFF before the game starts. Advertising that YOU ARE A SNIPER/MARKSMAN, gives your enemies an opportunity to re-evaluate thier strategy before the game starts. Keep a low profile. Theres a reason why in the realworld, DESIGNATED MARKSMEN LOOK LIKE ANY OTHER SOLDIER, so they dont present themselves as a PRIORITY TARGET.
Ifyou have to wear your ghillie, do so and be silent about it... it may be a fashon show somtimes, but this will risk you being a prime target if youre not careful about it.
- DONT travel with the MAIN FORCE if wearing a GHILLIE. Doing this, youre bound to be seen by the other camp, therefore giving yourself away even before you fire a single shot. DMS on the otherhand, are free to mingle within the main force. Theyre supposed to do so.
- DONT focus too much on your target. The Main weakness of a Sniper/Marksman is his FLANKS, always look 360degrees everynow and then for FLANKERS and other SNIPERS who are emploring COUNTER SNIPER TACTICS.
- DONT Stay in one position.. contrary to popular belief, SNIPER CAMPING does not increase the snipers effectivity.. infact.. if Gives the enemy a chance to counter your position. Remember, as a sniper... you are the HUNTER... Hunters are one step ahead of the prey. Move from one place to another to keep your prey GUESSING.
- DONT focus too much on your weapons bells and whistles. Focusing too much on accessories, somtimes if not most, makes you, the sniper, rely more on the GUN for kills. the heavier it becomes, the more you will NOT WANT to MOVE AROUND. It is Gettting to your target that makes a HUNTER a HUNTER. If you cant hit a target with a basic 490fps rifle with a scope...or even get to your target with a lite weapon what more a heavy, fully accessorized gun that can snag on branches, break in two, or get mudied and dirty. better re evaluate your role preferences.
- DONT use TREES as hiding spots. Wether at the BASE or as a TREE SNIPER.... DONT... just DONT. Because thats the 1st place your tangoes will be looking for you, and if youre spotted, specially if up on the branches.. where the hek will you escape to when it rains 6mm bbs from the enemy?.... basta... pls... dont...pls
- DONT rely on GUNSMITHS when it comes to your own rifle. Know how your weapon operates. Doing so, you will pour more LOVE AND CARE to your rifle, taking care of it and knowing how to fix it or TWEAK it will make your ONE SHOTS even more meaningful.
yan... thats all i could think of as of the moment.. :)
niguevara
March 26th, 2009, 16:49
@sir Rene Lichauco - dami ko natutunan!salamat sir!
OT : where can i buy books about sniping?
Patch
March 26th, 2009, 19:28
me and my L96, hands down to you sir Rene Lichauco!... :)
shuttershotmigo
March 27th, 2009, 22:42
thanks KULTABASHI! idol!
lester_barretto
April 4th, 2009, 23:43
kelangan ata may handgun ang sniper parang sa CS para di mataranta
Toretto
April 5th, 2009, 07:58
wat guns po magandang gamiten?
Heckler
April 5th, 2009, 08:55
practice stealth
painkilla
April 7th, 2009, 15:47
listen to sir DENSKI and sir KULTABASHI kasi isa sila sa mga premier sniper ng AIRSOFT...anyway thanks to your infos mga sir..
--if im not mistaken mahal talaga ang MAINTENANCE ng pang SNIPE...but its well worth it naman...tingnan nyo naman sila sir DENSKI and KULTABASHI...
nikki6
April 7th, 2009, 15:56
Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.
Never shoot within the range capabilities of assault rifles, machine guns, pistols.
Never give away your position by shooting a non priority target.
Never play sniping as assault.
Never assume sniping is cheap.
Never shoot more than 3 shots in one position/location.
Never stay too long in one location.
Do upgrade your rifle heavily for precision and long range (250feet precision accuracy on average)
Do know the capabilities of your rifle at each ranges.
Do know what the capabilities of your opponent's weapons.
Do know what your opponent's usual movements are.
Do know how to play it right.
CHECK! sir denski, i have been learning from your words since the first day! sana makaharap ko na kau this days!
hyperalergelo
April 7th, 2009, 17:10
Loud and clear sir!!! hehe!!!:icon_biggrin:
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- DONT rely on GUNSMITHS when it comes to your own rifle. Know how your weapon operates. Doing so, you will pour more LOVE AND CARE to your rifle, taking care of it and knowing how to fix it or TWEAK it will make your ONE SHOTS even more meaningful.
the best tong linyang to.. hehe!! tama nga naman.. dpat lam mo ayusin sarili mong riffle..:icon_biggrin:
Bogs Reyes
April 16th, 2009, 13:27
that's how real sniper do it. they get to know their rifle. by that i mean how far you can shoot effectively....not just how far you can shoot. knowing what it can do under different conditions, how to move with it in different situations and terrain.
Sniper_Wudz
April 16th, 2009, 13:38
A spotter can also be useful...though not a requirement
He can serve as your back-up when opfors are coming closer, since your sniper rifle cannot engage in close proximity
Guimo
April 16th, 2009, 16:19
ang pagiging sniper.. pwestuhan lng yn!:icon_biggrin:
isnypie
April 17th, 2009, 20:59
being sniper is the hardest role.. dapat mahaba pasensya mo and magaling ka magtago:icon_biggrin:
SolidTots
April 19th, 2009, 12:07
cool. mostly po ba springer gamit nyo?
nikki6
April 21st, 2009, 14:55
This is my first thread, and after a few months i have learned a lot esp. from sir denski
i hope that this thread maybe usefull to other aspiring snipers
@ sir solitots,
mostly ang gamit ay springers,(this os for low end rifles pero pwerful din pag naapgrade na) if you want to invest on a rifle mag onetime bigtime kna maybe a co2 type mas maganda.
Rene Lichauco
April 22nd, 2009, 16:33
This is my first thread, and after a few months i have learned a lot esp. from sir denski
i hope that this thread maybe usefull to other aspiring snipers
@ sir solitots,
mostly ang gamit ay springers,(this os for low end rifles pero pwerful din pag naapgrade na) if you want to invest on a rifle mag onetime bigtime kna maybe a co2 type mas maganda.
Errr.... medyo dilekado ata ang c02 brother.... aside from the fact that it may not be allowed in regular gamesights.. you may risk Hurting someone especially with the HIGH FPS a CO2 rifle can generate
nikki6
April 22nd, 2009, 16:43
Errr.... medyo dilekado ata ang c02 brother.... aside from the fact that it may not be allowed in regular gamesights.. you may risk Hurting someone especially with the HIGH FPS a CO2 rifle can generate
ahehehe sorry sir for misinforming naphiya pako dun:icon_redface:, go for springers with edgi upgrades. VSR10 would do.
CO2's are sugesstion only and i even moentioned mostly on springer sorry sir.
fond lng ako sa CO2 rifles
thank you sir for the info.
Rene Lichauco
May 8th, 2009, 21:58
ahehehe sorry sir for misinforming naphiya pako dun:icon_redface:, go for springers with edgi upgrades. VSR10 would do.
CO2's are sugesstion only and i even moentioned mostly on springer sorry sir.
fond lng ako sa CO2 rifles
thank you sir for the info.
Its ok:) no harm done to anyone.. pati rin naman ako, C02 gamit before... di nga lang pang airsoft:)
hammersickle
May 18th, 2009, 20:29
Do: Shoot and relocate!
Don't : Go into a game without sighting in your scope! :icon_lol:
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Oh, it also requires a lot of patience too!
nikki6
May 19th, 2009, 11:26
yep! zero you scope muna before going into battlefields, its so hard/difficult if your still calibrating your scope while the fight is on.
josheejosh
May 19th, 2009, 11:31
shoot and relocate! i 2nd that sir hammersickle!
Extreme
May 19th, 2009, 11:43
Pants should always be untacked and never wore knee pads if you are wearing a full ghuillie suit.:icon_smile: Always stay invinsible and stay calm with focus. Do a slight movements if necessary when defending an area. :icon_smile:
Denski Sison
May 19th, 2009, 12:31
Actually its better if you tuck in your pants inside your boots... it prevents creepy crawlies from riding up your legs. Just wear appropriate color boots for cammo... never wear black colored boots.
Rene Lichauco
July 5th, 2009, 17:53
heto.. dagdag..
DRINK WATER.. lots of it...
A dehydrated sniper is a DEAD sniper!:p
miLez SAGA
July 5th, 2009, 20:52
never wear black colored boots ..
i agree on this one .. actually i use a combination of sand and tan colored boots , for all of my BDU
soliton
July 16th, 2009, 13:29
ang gaganda ng mga tips nyo mga sirs.... tanong ko po pwede po bang magdala ng handgun ang snipers incase of close range or flanking???
Rene Lichauco
July 16th, 2009, 13:39
ang gaganda ng mga tips nyo mga sirs.... tanong ko po pwede po bang magdala ng handgun ang snipers incase of close range or flanking???
It is BETTER to have a handgun, para you have it na agad when you need it:)
jci
July 16th, 2009, 13:43
Woohoo! The sniper guru is here! Welcome Rene! :icon_biggrin:
Bogs Reyes
July 22nd, 2009, 12:18
Handguns really help in very tight spots you might get yourself into. I currently do not have one, so one game day, I crawled so far into the hotzone that I found msyelf right smack in the middle of the enemy defense postions. I was too close to fire shots with my rifle, so I opted to crawl away and shoot from a far. It was a missed opportunity and a lesson learned.
vegas_girl_22
August 27th, 2009, 09:29
puede bang mp5k ang back up instead of a hand gun?
yohan
August 29th, 2009, 17:38
Never shoot way below minimum engagement limit (100feet minimum), it's not only for safety but a tactical advantage as well.
i like this one hehe!
sneaky
February 15th, 2010, 09:02
nice thread...
Bogs Reyes
February 15th, 2010, 10:17
puede bang mp5k ang back up instead of a hand gun?
I guess it depends. My advise, go with the handgun. I've tried lugging around an MP5K and it was just terrible. Hard to crawl. But again, it depends on your game play. Remember you already have a long weapon to begin with, the MP5k is still not as small as a pistol.
Denski Sison
February 15th, 2010, 10:25
When crawling in the underbrush, your number one headache would be snagging. If you can manage to secure your mp5k from snagging why not. If you dont crawl in the underbrush and just play marksman why not. If you can secure your mp5k from swaying when you run why not. If you can handle the additional weight why not.
Most often times snipers hike the long way round... pass through impassable thickets... climb through where no one else would climb... go through extra lenghts just to get a good vantage point... that is why they only bring necesseties. Additional weight will burden you.
rayjimg
February 15th, 2010, 11:58
Don't forget that you're holding a sniper.... don't shoot somebody like how you do it with a m4 rifle... mesaket!!!
tupac
February 15th, 2010, 11:59
good day sir! what hand gun would you recommend for a newbie sniper?
Denski Sison
February 15th, 2010, 12:07
Base competition guns are reliable... TM hicapa's and the KSC glocks for its auto function. Snipers are also good pistol players. They rely on their secondaries for CQB as much as they rely on their rifles for long range shooting.
demonized
February 23rd, 2010, 13:31
sirs,, i am just new at this hobby or sport,,, for me iwould prefer to be a marksman,, sniping is one of my dream position,, however i lack knowledge in this field,, i was hoping you can help with choosing my guns,, sniping rules,, scope reading, ranging targets, and other stuff,,
what type of gun should i buy first, i really dont know gun models except for dragunuv,
cityhunter
February 23rd, 2010, 14:02
Hi, Sir demonized. Huwag ka na mag Dragunov as mabibitin ka lang. Invest instead in a good standard AK. Best kung full stock but okay lang kung trip mo yun folding stock version basta huwag lang yun old S models na sa ilalim ang fold ng stock. Kapag full stock kasi mas maganda yun protection against the elements ang battery mo lalo na kung lipoly.
Standard AK para room for upgrades. Invest in a mid-cap magazine para hindi mahirap to go prone. Its shorter pa kaya hindi problema na sumabit accidentally siya. Don't improve the outside looks too much. Instead invest in improving the internals para sleeper concept. Magugulat na lang mga kalaban mo sa performance when its too late na.
Don't bother with scopes not unless you can afford to protect well the lens. Ranging targets is easy. Zero mo sa backyard or before you skirmish but not inside an enclosed space. Ang pinakamahirap sa sniper wannabee is practicing patience. It doesn't mean na yun first target ang agad mo kunin. As a sniper support asset ka not the main one. You are there to protect the forward team from threats.
Hi, Sir tupac. I strongly discourage you not to get a pistol kung sniper ka. Instead, invest in another AEG or GBBR na compact version ng primary mo not unless bolt-action yun. Mag compact rifle or SMG ka. Yan ang gawain na ng real life snipers natin even in the AFP. Well, they still carry pistols but at the very least between the sniper and the spotter may automatic rifle na compact silang dala.
Been there done that ika nga as a skirmisher. Mas ideal kung bullpup yun sniper rifle mo para compact yet long barrel. I tried the FA MAS and L85 first gen na and nice naman. Itapon mo yun bipod as useless yan. Matuto ka gumamit ng improvised bench rest instead. AUG kasi old school gas gun lang but I heard the AUG AEG is a good platform rin. Yun nga lang yun AUG na China ang isa sa mga unang itinigil ang production during the crackdown sa China from what I heard.
Sniping rules ay katulad pa rin ng dati - don't hit the soft parts and instead target the armored parts para naman walang serious injury mangyari.
Why not a pistol as a sidearm? When things get hot believe me bitin ang pistol mo kahit high capacity pa ito. Minimum dapat shotgun para may range but bitin pa rin sa ammo load. Yan yun personal experience by a friend's friend na naging merc sa Bosnia then. Walang kwenta yun Desert Eagle .357 niya when his AUG went dry. Shotgun na dapat - he he, now you know bakit ayaw ko bitiwan GBB shotgun ko kahit bibihira na ako makalaro.
Denski Sison
February 24th, 2010, 11:33
Why a pistol as a side arm?
1. Compact and light
2. Doesnt snag alot unlike another primary gun
3. Concealable
4. Doesnt sway alot unlike another primary gun
Try lugging around two primaries in bivuoac games and you'll know the reason why you need to carry an additional 2 liters of water in a camelback. You need to cover alot of ground. You need to do surveilance and info gathering. You need to be in places where no one else will go. You are the eyes and ears of your team... their guardian angel... their protector. You need to be in the right place at the right time and you will be moving alot under concealment.
As an airsoft sniper/marskman, your primary shooting ranges are from long distances. If you let the opponent get near you... your dead. A secondary is a "just in case" fallback. The less you need to use a secondary, the more you are doing your job properly. The more you use your secondary, the less you are doing your job properly. Using your secondary more often than your primary... might as well play assault instead of sniper/marksman.
You dont need to be shooting alot even for CQB circumstances. Controlled shooting. Your suppose to shoot and scoot... evade... go to ranges where you have the advantage. CQB fighting is just for you to protect yourself so that you can fallback to better positions. Your not suppose to do assault work. Leave that to the assault team and do your job properly... protect your assault team so they can do their job properly as well.
Shoot. If opponents get near, fall back. Shoot again at ranges they are not capable of achieving. Do not stand your ground and be like Rambo. Sniping tactics are sneaky tactics. You only shoot where your opponents are at a disadvantage. This is a thinking playtype... not shoot, pray and shoot some more.
Airsoft sniping is different from real life sniping... for one, we dont have the same range capabilites of real sniper rifles. Some real life combat tactics will render you useless in airsoft... some airsoft tactics will get you killed in real life combat. True to all airsoft playtypes.
ReoTora
February 25th, 2010, 09:55
Many Pros and Cons About this one but very worthwhile to read...
Makes me want to be a 'Soge-king' Myself:icon_razz:
guillotine 10
February 25th, 2010, 12:57
It takes a lot of patience to excel in this field, for those aspiring to be snipers good luck.
wakkafas
March 4th, 2010, 12:30
sniping if your gun is high on FPS try shooting on vest or hard parts ; this is a gentlemans game wee want to enjoy not to hurt people
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btw snipers on CQB its like bringing a sword in a gun fight
joibilog
March 14th, 2010, 06:59
sir tanong lang po.. anu po ba downsides ng dragunov except na mahaba siya? i bought one kasi and personally i think it's good.. head sized target at about 190 feet w/o gravity compensation(550 fps using 0.28 bb's.. i know it's a bit light for that fps.. minsan may flyers..) i havent tried 250ft.. ang hirap mag hanap ng lugar na ganun kalaki dito sa location namin.
magastos nga.. bala pa lang dale ka na..
maintenance pa.. lagi dapat malinis yung barrel.. and yung sear dapat inaalagaan..
and medyo delikado nga.. mukhang masakit tumama ang 550..
and also add ko lang.. higher ground = better range.. observation ko lang..
tanong ko lang po.. ok lang po ba kung may silencer ung pistol? it's would be longer pero mas hindi rinig ng mga ibang kalaban if your trying to hit someone at close range.. kaso siyempre mas mahaba lang siya ng onti..
sir rene.. ung ghillie suits(yung full) nyo po ba kelangan pa ng BDU sa ilalim? or i can wear it as is?
btw nice thread very informative..
• † DeL
March 14th, 2010, 08:03
@joibilog
actually,the noise coming from a gbb pistol isn't coming from the muzzle. Its from the blow-back mechanism. Except for the looks, applying a silencer with a gbb pistol would be pretty useless.
loadedguns
March 14th, 2010, 19:34
@joibilog
wow 550fps @.28 nice ^_^...sir ano po dragunov nyo a&K po ba?sir papm naman ng setup nyo thanks ^_^ scared ako iupgrade ung a&K dragy ko e baka di kayanin at my masira kagad na parts sayang wala pa available parts dito.kaya ang iniisip ko iupgrade ung jg na lang hehehe!
i love dragunov talaga..un nga lang ang haba at ang mahal ng scope,tapos di pa ako marunong gumamit ng scope amf! toinks ^_^ kaya tamang stock sights lang ako hehehehe...
kaya pasilip silip na lang ako sa mga sniper's thread ^_^
joibilog
March 14th, 2010, 22:21
A&K SVD bold action gamit ko.. 550 fps lang ako using 0.2.. gumagamit ako ng 0.28 para mas stable.. baka nasa isip mo 550 @ 0.28 a.. bumubutas na ako ng bote ng C2 na nasa 50 ft.. hehe.. internals ko panay DIY lang.. pwera sa spring.. stock everything.. anyway..
i'm using sp160 settled na.. tpos may maliit na modified o-ring ako sa dulo ng cylinder head nozzle(6mm outer dia. 5mm inner dia. oring) theoretically, mag wowork cya na parang piston o ring kapag nag compress ung air magsspread cya palabas therefore sealing the hopchamber(ill post pics if you like).. tpos pinaltan ko piston o-ring ko from simplex binondo manila.. size 116.. mas mataba kasi siya kesa sa stock ng onti mas mgnda ung compression sa palagay ko.. pero baka try ko mag Viton O-ring next week.. tignan ko kung may difference.. may tatlong pirasong 5 centavos na butas ako sa piston head.. spring spacer ko.. tpos ung gilid ng bolt, ung nakacontact sa reciever s-in-andpaper ko.. para makinis madali hugutin(lagyan mo din pala ng oil+greas combo para madulas).. pati yung spring guide pinakinis ko mara madulas.. nilagyan ko din ng oil+grease combo yung sear ko para hindi kainin masyado nung piston.. ok naman siya ngaun.. no problems and mataba pa.. nakaka 7000 rounds na ako.. plinking.. testing ng mga bagay bagay..
tapos naka silencer din pala ako na working.. pang real steel nilagay ko sa dragunov.. gumawa lang ako ng adapter kasi malaki ung silencer.. swak na swak sa outer barrel ng SR-25k.. kaya un ginawan ko na lang ng pampasikip.. ang saya rinig mo lang yung hataw ng piston hindi ung hangin.. @ 135ft tunog parang may nagbagsak lang ng BB.. tpos swish nung dumadaang bala.. haha.. naka bushnell ako na 3-9x40 tpos ak rail mount tapos high scope rings para madali sumilip kahit naka mask..
550fps ako before adding the silencer.. ill post records kapag nakapag chrono ulet ako..
April mag up din ako ng spring.. sp170 na.. 160 kayang kaya na.. sana mag hit ng 600fps.. sanayan lang and lalakas fore arm muscles mo.. promise magkakaron ng korte.. haha..
baka sa May mag edgi ako na 5.99 ID 590mm inner barrel.. ill post the results as soon as i get the barrel.. stock pa lang gamit ko ngaun e.. sabi stock daw nito 6.014 ID.. im hitting head sized targets mga 190ft no gravity compensation.. 150 ft 2x4 in. target kayang kaya max zoom and steady hands lang hehe.. pero i want more.. hehe..
as for now ang issues ko lang sa SVD eh double feeding.. i have concluded na sa mag cya may mali.. ung BB lock(dunno the right term) sa mag ung sinusundot ng hop chamber para mag feed.. aun kapag napudpod nagkaka double feed.. temporary solution na ginawa ko nilagyan ko na mighty bond yung dulo ng lock ng magazine so bale ung napudpod na part may drop ng crystallized mighty bond.. parang filler dun sa pudpod na part.. im planning to use steel epoxy next.. kasi napupudpod nanaman e.. pero so far ung mighty bond technique gumagana naman. sa palagay ko kasi uneven yung pressure na nadadama ng BB so bale parang its two in or nothing.. kaya kapag open na open yung butas ng mag walang harang so well regulated yung pressure.. 5-7 shots isang kamot ako ngaun.. hehe..
may kapwa SVD fan pala ako dito eh.. hehe.. if you need help, ill try what i can do.. as for scope zero-ing.. meron dito sa forums search mo lang..
tip lang.. every mag(200 shots more or less), mag linis ka ng barrel.. ganda ng performance kapag malinis and properly lubed yung barrel.. hanap ka sa real steel shops ng m-16 barrel cleaner yung may nylon and cotton tip.. ok un.. i happen to have one.. hehe..
Rene Lichauco
March 14th, 2010, 22:26
sir tanong lang po.. anu po ba downsides ng dragunov except na mahaba siya? i bought one kasi and personally i think it's good.. head sized target at about 190 feet w/o gravity compensation(550 fps using 0.28 bb's.. i know it's a bit light for that fps.. minsan may flyers..) i havent tried 250ft.. ang hirap mag hanap ng lugar na ganun kalaki dito sa location namin.
magastos nga.. bala pa lang dale ka na..
maintenance pa.. lagi dapat malinis yung barrel.. and yung sear dapat inaalagaan..
and medyo delikado nga.. mukhang masakit tumama ang 550..
and also add ko lang.. higher ground = better range.. observation ko lang..
tanong ko lang po.. ok lang po ba kung may silencer ung pistol? it's would be longer pero mas hindi rinig ng mga ibang kalaban if your trying to hit someone at close range.. kaso siyempre mas mahaba lang siya ng onti..
sir rene.. ung ghillie suits(yung full) nyo po ba kelangan pa ng BDU sa ilalim? or i can wear it as is?
btw nice thread very informative..
hello, im assuming youre using the BoltAction Variant sir noh?... one major drawback is Ergonomics.
It wasnt meant to be a Boltaction, therefore, in action, when each shot and its timing becomes critical to the Sniper using the unit, unless masanay ka.. mahihirapan ka ikasa yan Under pressure.
Imagine, pinaliligiran ka.. puro naka 500fps kalaban mo, naka boltaction ka.. ang hirap pa ikasa... ouch.
Nevertheless, the Draggy is a good unit.. once and if you get used to it.
With regards to the Ghillie naman, no problems with it.. whatever youre wearing. pero text me nalang sir at 0917-9393035.. para di tayo OT:)
joibilog
March 14th, 2010, 23:10
ang haba pala nung sinulat ko.. hindi naman ako SVD fan e no.. haha.. nwei.. contributions ko..
DO:
clean your barrel regularly.. (OC lang ako kaya 200 shots clean agad.. it's up to you)
lube the gun properly..
love and learn your gun.. kalasin mo wag ka matakot.. andito ang FAS kapag nagkamali ka.. hehe.. yung akin sobrang love ko katabi ko pa sa pagtulog.. kasama yung tatay nyang airgun.. haha
think before shooting.. stop, look and listen.. and shoot.. hehe
shoot when the enemy is distracted.. yung tipong hindi ka talaga nya mapapansin.. or yung defenses down siya.. like lakad-lakad-relax-parang-nasa-luneta targets.. or yung mga nasa state of panic..
learn to retreat and fight again later.. sly, cunning and deceptive ang playstyle ng snipers sa palagay ko.. it's so so me.. hahaha!
be patient.. intay intay lang magkakaron ka din ng target.. tiisin mo ang init at kati.. bawal kumamot macocompromise ang camo.. hehe..
practice.. moving w/ the gun, shooting the gun at different positions at different targets.
be responsible.. you're using a high fps gun..
treat your gun as if it's real steel.. same rules apply.. when not in use safe and mag out.. make it a habit..
DON'T:
shoot at close ranges.. tactical and safety issues..
shoot (friendly) animals when plinking.. i shot a stray dog 50 feet away headshot.. umiyak and halos mabaliw kakatakbo.. sobrang konsensiya ko hindi ako nakatulog..
shoot every enemy you see..
brag about your gun at the site.. you'll be everyone's target and you don't want to do that..
display your gun/ghillie.. as if nagfafashion show ka.. (same reason above).. sniping sa palagay ko is all about camouflage.. so blend in and dont stand out.. malaman ng kabilang team kung ilan ang snipers and kung sino edi hinunting kau nun.. sarap din nung feeling na "ok down na ung 10 snipers.. go! *swish* *plak* HIT! aba may isa pa!" hehe..
sniper's playstyle is a thinking man's play style.. abuse advantages and learn to retreat when compromised.. always be a step ahead.. kaya nga sniper scout e..
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@ sir Rene..
well as for the bolt pull.. ok naman cya sakin.. the fastest i can do is about 1 rps.. oo na jer jer monster na.. haha.. yun na ung panic mode ko.. pero sa pagkakaobserve ko.. malayo ang bolt sa trigger so there's a whole lot of movement for 1 whole shooting cycle..
so anu mas magandang sidearm? GBB hand gun or maliit na aeg+silencer? ok sana kung 200 feet ndi rinig yung sidearm.. iwas bulabog ng mga ibang kalaban pwera sa target/s.. im thinking of using a mp5k or mp5 pdw(no butt) tpos kabitan ko ng RS silencer.. kaso parang mahaba ndi ko cya issling.. balak ko ilagay sa isang maliit na ghillie bag which i would also try to make para mas madali bit bitin and hindi suma sabit sabit kung san san..
loadedguns
March 15th, 2010, 03:16
thanks sa mga tips sirs ^_^
@joibilog
thanks sir ^_^ dun na lang tayo s dragunov review OT tayo dito e ^_^ papost na rin dun ung pics ng draggy mo...kala ko 550fps @ .28 napraning ako hehehe..
Rene Lichauco
March 15th, 2010, 09:08
so anu mas magandang sidearm? GBB hand gun or maliit na aeg+silencer? ok sana kung 200 feet ndi rinig yung sidearm.. iwas bulabog ng mga ibang kalaban pwera sa target/s.. im thinking of using a mp5k or mp5 pdw(no butt) tpos kabitan ko ng RS silencer.. kaso parang mahaba ndi ko cya issling.. balak ko ilagay sa isang maliit na ghillie bag which i would also try to make para mas madali bit bitin and hindi suma sabit sabit kung san san..
Hehehe, actually marami may setup na ganyan.. AEG na maliit then silencer. Unfortunately, its not that practical, lalo na if di ka sure sa purpose ng sidearm.
you will not be effective with both your long arm or sidearm if you compromise on your role. Dapat, Flexible ka and youre able to operate ALONE or in a small group. Gapang galore and going in tight spaces. If fully loaded ka, hirap ka doing this.
Role ng sniper, LongRange concealed and selected shots. So, doing so, a Sidearm is used for defence. If you do youre role correctly, you will not need to Use a sidearm in the first place.. kasi di ka nila makikita sa concealed position mo. Kada putok ng Draggy mo, may ma-Hihit dapat. More hits you make, mas may psychological impact ka. Matatakot sila sumilip.
My setup is a regular 515fps TM Vsr tapos 270fps na 30 Round TM Hicappa. I operate alone or in a small group of 2. Once in position, dapat, alam ko saan ako aatras if magkaproblema. Kumbaga.. bago magkaputukan, sigurado na ako sa Ins and outs ng lugar. Reconnoiter is the KEY.
Use your Primary sparingly and select your targets. As you Hunt and get good vantage points, Whag mo putukan lahat. Transfer shooting position for ever 3-4 shots. If may makalapit sayo, thats when your bring out your sidearm. Dont use it as a rifle. Kung pistol or mp5k man yan.. DEFENSIVE arm sha. less then 30feet mo lang gagamitin yan. After you shoot, Scoot. Yun parin ang laro mo dapat. pag safe ka na. COntunue Hunt and Reposition tactics.
So to ans your question in a nutshell. Pano ka ba mag laro? what are your tactics? that will determine what sidearm is best for you.
joibilog
March 15th, 2010, 10:43
parang emergency weapon in case may makalapit... thnx sa tips.. im considering TM 5-7.. maliit and plastic so di ganun ka rinig yung tunog ng slide..
sir sa mid-May bumili ako ng full recon sa inyo.. para come june ready na..
arnhem
March 15th, 2010, 11:08
If you use this......
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/erwintiamson/IMG_1641.jpg
Carry this.........
http://i524.photobucket.com/albums/cc323/erwintiamson/DSC00670.jpg
:icon_lol:
Denski Sison
March 15th, 2010, 11:17
If you can install a silencer to your pistol as if there was no tomorrow when you need it the most, then good... but that would get you in panick mode... unnecessary movements... lose precious time.
If you install the silencer beforehand...
1. There are limited holster types that can accommodate pistols with silencers
2. You will lose precious time drawing your pistol from the holster because its too long
3. Additional lenght is susceptible to snagging, etc...
majimbu
March 15th, 2010, 11:24
Hehehe, actually marami may setup na ganyan.. AEG na maliit then silencer. Unfortunately, its not that practical, lalo na if di ka sure sa purpose ng sidearm.
you will not be effective with both your long arm or sidearm if you compromise on your role. Dapat, Flexible ka and youre able to operate ALONE or in a small group. Gapang galore and going in tight spaces. If fully loaded ka, hirap ka doing this.
Role ng sniper, LongRange concealed and selected shots. So, doing so, a Sidearm is used for defence. If you do youre role correctly, you will not need to Use a sidearm in the first place.. kasi di ka nila makikita sa concealed position mo. Kada putok ng Draggy mo, may ma-Hihit dapat. More hits you make, mas may psychological impact ka. Matatakot sila sumilip.
My setup is a regular 515fps TM Vsr tapos 270fps na 30 Round TM Hicappa. I operate alone or in a small group of 2. Once in position, dapat, alam ko saan ako aatras if magkaproblema. Kumbaga.. bago magkaputukan, sigurado na ako sa Ins and outs ng lugar. Reconnoiter is the KEY.
Use your Primary sparingly and select your targets. As you Hunt and get good vantage points, Whag mo putukan lahat. Transfer shooting position for ever 3-4 shots. If may makalapit sayo, thats when your bring out your sidearm. Dont use it as a rifle. Kung pistol or mp5k man yan.. DEFENSIVE arm sha. less then 30feet mo lang gagamitin yan. After you shoot, Scoot. Yun parin ang laro mo dapat. pag safe ka na. COntunue Hunt and Reposition tactics.
So to ans your question in a nutshell. Pano ka ba mag laro? what are your tactics? that will determine what sidearm is best for you.
amen.
its so easy to read and understand what you said, sir Kultabashi, but it will take me years to master it.:icon_wink:
mine is 580fps Tanaka M700 with 2 spare mag of 10rnds tapos 320fps TM 5.1 hi-capa. honestly, pabigat lang ang side arm..:icon_lol:
joibilog
March 15th, 2010, 12:28
@ sir denski
onga e.. parang nadidiscourage ako ng may silencer.. hassle kasi.. isipin mo may dala ka nang mahabang baril na iniingatan tapos may sidearm pa na pabigat.. small ABS handgun na lang ako.. TM glock pwede din.. pero parang mas trip ko FN 5-7 tpos lagay ko nalang sa gilid ng butt ng rifle para easy bunot.. hehe.. butt holster e no.. hehe..
btw may pagka front heavy rifle ko(dahil sa silencer.. baka tanggalin ko na din) sa butt ko lagay para at least mabalance
Denski Sison
March 15th, 2010, 12:42
Front heavy sniper rifles are okey for real steel sniper rifle shooting since it compensates for the kick. For airsoft... it isnt much of a use.
Balanced rifles are good for assault maneuverability... good for assault playtypes.
Detacheable rifle slings are usefull when hiking at very large gamesites looking for the perfect spot. Rest your arms as much as possible. You dont want to shoot when your hands and arms are shaking. Just detach them when your in ambush position. You can also install your bipod when at this position.
Usefull accessories... bipod pouch, bipod, sling pouch, 2 point rifle sling, pistol holster (covered kind), camel back hydaration pack.
Best position to put your pistol holster would be at your chest. Low carry thigh pistol holsters snag alot. Waist pistol holsters impede rolling maneuvers.
Rene Lichauco
March 15th, 2010, 13:44
parang emergency weapon in case may makalapit... thnx sa tips.. im considering TM 5-7.. maliit and plastic so di ganun ka rinig yung tunog ng slide..
sir sa mid-May bumili ako ng full recon sa inyo.. para come june ready na..
Sure! no problem... tawag ka lang sakin so we can coordinate.
@denski
FInaly, my APS96 has been tamed na. 570fps on .2 and i can cock and rock on prone with no problems... hahaha....
@majimbu
Hehehe.. having a pistol is better then having nothing, and for me, better than having an AEG for a sidearm.
Why?
Because shooting an AEG backup, means that The enemy is still in range to use thier AEG against you.
But using a pistol lalo na in tight spaces, gives you an advantage, and gives the enemy a slight handicap. Pwede ka bumaril ng pointblank sa vest, sila... alangan bumaril pag super lapit... take advantage of that :icon_lol: I do.:icon_biggrin: It will take some getting used to nga lang... and lots and lots of "Lakas loob"
majimbu
March 15th, 2010, 14:12
@majimbu
Hehehe.. having a pistol is better then having nothing, and for me, better than having an AEG for a sidearm.
Why?
Because shooting an AEG backup, means that The enemy is still in range to use thier AEG against you.
But using a pistol lalo na in tight spaces, gives you an advantage, and gives the enemy a slight handicap. Pwede ka bumaril ng pointblank sa vest, sila... alangan bumaril pag super lapit... take advantage of that :icon_lol: I do.:icon_biggrin: It will take some getting used to nga lang... and lots and lots of "Lakas loob"
when assualt ops are able to close within there range, there is no better way than to move back.. a handgun for back is no way can defend the full auto fire of assualts ops.. honestly, pampa-lakas lang ng loob yung alam mo may back-up gun ka.. but you cant deny the fact na malapit-lapit ka na.. that is the faith of loosing the advantage, i think, when in marksman's role.:icon_wink:
another thing, i dont forget how you got me twice on the same spot at Anaconda.. sana left and right leg kung ako.. but i got your point now.., you stated clearly the accuracy behind the shot.. i will have some more (probably) if i insisted fighting.. yan ang gusto kong matutunan.. na hindi ko magawa.. yung decipline behind the shot.:icon_sad:
joibilog
March 15th, 2010, 14:40
ok lang ba kahit walang bipod? bean bag kaya? or branches na lang?.. hydration pack is a must para saken.. mainit e.. hehe..
thnx for the tips..
Rene Lichauco
March 15th, 2010, 14:45
when assualt ops are able to close within there range, there is no better way than to move back.. a handgun for back is no way can defend the full auto fire of assualts ops.. honestly, pampa-lakas lang ng loob yung alam mo may back-up gun ka.. but you cant deny the fact na malapit-lapit ka na.. that is the faith of loosing the advantage, i think, when in marksman's role.:icon_wink:
another thing, i dont forget how you got me twice on the same spot at Anaconda.. sana left and right leg kung ako.. but i got your point now.., you stated clearly the accuracy behind the shot.. i will have some more (probably) if i insisted fighting.. yan ang gusto kong matutunan.. na hindi ko magawa.. yung decipline behind the shot.:icon_sad:
Well... the Given advantage kasi of being a sniper is that as a SNIPER you see them, they have to GUESS where you are. Kaya a pistol helps lalo na if they dont know that the position theyre walking into is a Sniper Hide. Kumbaga, as sniper, you cant play on the same Bullet per Bullet playing field. If youre gonna be overwhelmed... LIPAT agad to an area where the enemies numbers cant be used to maximum effect.
With regards to our engagement in OP:ANaconda, well.. thats where i had the advantage. Not in numbers, but in position and location.
If i remember correctly, there were more or less 6 guys with you ata? and believe it or not, there were only 2 of us initially shooting at you. 3/1 ang ratio against me and my spotter. Tapos believe it or not, all of you guys had me and my teamate w/in range of your AEGS.
BUT:
1.) you were going uphill and unaware that we were there in a Higher more advantageous position until we open fired. Our sniper hydes.. believe it or not.. were OUT IN THE OPEN under the sun, not behind a tree or any bush.
2.) entrance to the area was bottlenecked by a gate and an old shack if i remember correctly, which was our designated killzone, kumbaga... we were there almost 2 hours before your team arrived so every angle of the killzone was covered.. well mostly.
3.) I dont think anyone of you saw us, untill we "Hightailed" out of our sniper hydes when our reenforcements arived.
4.) We saw your teams movements by the time you got to the kill zone, kaya we had the upperhand. hihihi. Pero outgunned kami.
Plan was to maintain our Sniper hydes as long as we could, until we would be relieved by a RearGuard team... sila yung long engagemet niyo. Thats when we pulled out.
You guys took so long to arrive, nakatulog ako:P
This is my picture in the exact spot i was shooting from... tulog ako niyan...
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y39/Kultabashi/Operation%20Anaconda/P1020895.jpg
I woke up when my teammate told me to get ready na because he heard your team approaching.
BUT, if by anychance any of your teams saw our actual positions... we could have been taken out when you guys were re-enforced.
I really enjoyed that engagement.. hihihi..:icon_biggrin:
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ok lang ba kahit walang bipod? bean bag kaya? or branches na lang?.. hydration pack is a must para saken.. mainit e.. hehe..
thnx for the tips..
Bipod or not, oks lang:) kumbaga TOOL lang sha to stabilize your rifle. If you have other means of keeping steady.. no problemo. Slight problem on the branches though, may movement yan kada kasa ng baril. Movement of surrounding trees branches and plant life can give your position away.
And yes.. WATER.. is veryimportant... dont leave home without it:)
Devastator
March 15th, 2010, 14:50
i learned alot from RENE thanks bro :icon_wink:
Rene Lichauco
March 15th, 2010, 18:48
i learned alot from RENE thanks bro :icon_wink:
hihi.. no prob... whag ka muna umalis.. 1 last game bago ka mag abroad
rlincod
March 15th, 2010, 19:21
very informative tlga sila siq kultabashi, already prepared mine, kjw m700, shooting at 640fps at .20g dangerous, but when i learn the tactics, bka kht pistol dala ko makapagkill agad ako hehe
brokenhymen
March 15th, 2010, 19:41
do not fart?
http://s3.amazonaws.com/picable/2009/07/16/1171111_One-Reason-not-to-fail-sniper-traning_620.jpg
do not need to wear ghillie suits
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v204/Girlieman/nekkid2.jpg
pang humor lng po.. sorry... =P
joibilog
March 15th, 2010, 23:05
lol.. "wala akong bipod.. TUWAD!!" haha..
majimbu
March 16th, 2010, 11:26
With regards to our engagement in OP:ANaconda, well.. thats where i had the advantage. Not in numbers, but in position and location.
If i remember correctly, there were more or less 6 guys with you ata? and believe it or not, there were only 2 of us initially shooting at you. 3/1 ang ratio against me and my spotter. Tapos believe it or not, all of you guys had me and my teamate w/in range of your AEGS.
BUT:
1.) you were going uphill and unaware that we were there in a Higher more advantageous position until we open fired. Our sniper hydes.. believe it or not.. were OUT IN THE OPEN under the sun, not behind a tree or any bush.
2.) entrance to the area was bottlenecked by a gate and an old shack if i remember correctly, which was our designated killzone, kumbaga... we were there almost 2 hours before your team arrived so every angle of the killzone was covered.. well mostly.
3.) I dont think anyone of you saw us, untill we "Hightailed" out of our sniper hydes when our reenforcements arived.
4.) We saw your teams movements by the time you got to the kill zone, kaya we had the upperhand. hihihi. Pero outgunned kami.
Plan was to maintain our Sniper hydes as long as we could, until we would be relieved by a RearGuard team... sila yung long engagemet niyo. Thats when we pulled out.
it took as long because we are clearing every part until we reach that bottle-necked ambush sight. since i was assigned as the marksman for the Charlie squad, i was tasked to look for snipers that time. your position maybe within range but it's off angled.. i was worried more on the 12o'clock than my left side. when my back up was able to crawl in my position, they advanced hard. i was able to fire 3 rounds againts an opfor then before i shifted myself to the left. there, its not easy to spot you guys since the sun is at its peak and seeing by way of a scope is kinda' fraustrating. when you took the first shoot, i was hit in the leg.. i shouted for the medic and he arrived fast only to be engage 12 and left.. since i was simulating a crippled leg, he tried to pull me, only to be shot again on the same spot - then i considered myself hit even the shots are not fatal.
you know why? its a statement that the guy firing has me in his mercy.. it could have been my head.. i commended that moment. and, it was only the second time that i was shot by a sniper big time!
it was an Apocalypse sniper that got me first in Camp Masada - it was power that was implied - yours was precision.
those shots are never to be taken for granted. its useless to play airsoft disregarding such a shot that is taken after many months of preparation in both gears, gun, and skills.
i admire you for that.:icon_wink:
Rene Lichauco
March 16th, 2010, 11:51
it took as long because we are clearing every part until we reach that bottle-necked ambush sight. since i was assigned as the marksman for the Charlie squad, i was tasked to look for snipers that time. your position maybe within range but it's off angled.. i was worried more on the 12o'clock than my left side. when my back up was able to crawl in my position, they advanced hard. i was able to fire 3 rounds againts an opfor then before i shifted myself to the left. there, its not easy to spot you guys since the sun is at its peak and seeing by way of a scope is kinda' fraustrating. when you took the first shoot, i was hit in the leg.. i shouted for the medic and he arrived fast only to be engage 12 and left.. since i was simulating a crippled leg, he tried to pull me, only to be shot again on the same spot - then i considered myself hit even the shots are not fatal.
you know why? its a statement that the guy firing has me in his mercy.. it could have been my head.. i commended that moment. and, it was only the second time that i was shot by a sniper big time!
it was an Apocalypse sniper that got me first in Camp Masada - it was power that was implied - yours was precision.
those shots are never to be taken for granted. its useless to play airsoft disregarding such a shot that is taken after many months of preparation in both gears, gun, and skills.
i admire you for that.:icon_wink:
hehehe.. thanks, pero i gues we were just at the right place at the right time. It was not ideal nga lang.. i mean the heat, and the open area got me thinking.. WHAT IF IM SPOTTED while i was sleeping! Hahaha..
I guess it was an engagement both of us remember because that game, overall was really nice..:).. hehehe...
cant wait for the end of gunban
G26
March 16th, 2010, 22:34
Kudos to both Sir Majimbu and Sir Rene. That's indeed a heartening story of true sportsmanship.
Both are great players in their own field.
Denski Sison
March 17th, 2010, 11:47
@denski
FInaly, my APS96 has been tamed na. 570fps on .2 and i can cock and rock on prone with no problems... hahaha....
Lumaki muscles mo or lumambot na yung spring? :icon_lol: Lalambot pa yan sir habang tumagal.
Pina chrono ko yung akin at pinalinisan a few weeks ago. 650 fps ko bumaba ng 550 fps @ 0.2 grams... check ko pa yung hop baka napunit nanaman yung rubber... or kailangan ng palitan ang spring.
Nilagyan mo ng nail polish or silicon sealant yung screw ng mag release?
Rene Lichauco
March 17th, 2010, 13:00
Lumaki muscles mo or lumambot na yung spring? :icon_lol: Lalambot pa yan sir habang tumagal.
Pina chrono ko yung akin at pinalinisan a few weeks ago. 650 fps ko bumaba ng 550 fps @ 0.2 grams... check ko pa yung hop baka napunit nanaman yung rubber... or kailangan ng palitan ang spring.
Nilagyan mo ng nail polish or silicon sealant yung screw ng mag release?
hehehhe... actually, pinalitan ko ung 170 to 150... and yup.. the mag releaase is secure naman.. bumili ako ng mas magandang screw, and applied nail polish para sure na ok siya
KatsEye
March 17th, 2010, 17:50
Mga sir, ano pong ideal fps ng sniper beng beng??
thanks!
Rene Lichauco
March 17th, 2010, 19:03
Mga sir, ano pong ideal fps ng sniper beng beng??
thanks!
Iba iba magiging sagot n mga tao here..pero some are in the range of 500 - 550. OThers naman go beyond 600. I guess, it usually will depend on your field and setup.
If Malayo abot ng BBS mo and straight naman at what ever FPS.. then i guess that will work for you:)
tacticalhead
March 17th, 2010, 20:37
hehehhe... actually, pinalitan ko ung 170 to 150... and yup.. the mag releaase is secure naman.. bumili ako ng mas magandang screw, and applied nail polish para sure na ok siya
@Sir rene, binaba mo na yung spring.. hehehe nanghina yung arms ko nung first time ko na-try L96 nyan. hehehe 3 more months sir.
majimbu
March 17th, 2010, 20:45
Mga sir, ano pong ideal fps ng sniper beng beng??
thanks!
i think, its between 550fps to 600fps using your BB to be used.. i use 0.36g and 0.43g graphite BBs and it clock @ around 580fps (or less)..
joibilog
March 18th, 2010, 00:02
200 ft straight bb path sa palagay ko pwede na. mga 550 at 0.2 tapos gamit ka na lang ng 0.36g na BB
tanong lang. ok lang po ba yung 0.46 graphite? sabi kasi nag leleave ng residue sa barrel e. hindi ko tuloy alam kung papataasin ko pa kasi baka kapag nag 5.99 edgi ako pag nag residue magjam.
meron bang 0.33g na BB?
chan01
March 18th, 2010, 02:00
i saw an ingram the other day and i think it could be another option for a snipers side arm or a bail out weapon it has a pistolized body a short barel its relatively small like a dessert eagle with a longer mag and i think it could house more than many bb's than any hi-cap pistol mag im just not sure if the ingram smg is a green gas or a ebb gun i just saw it some where in pasay while i was walking
Denski Sison
March 18th, 2010, 12:05
@ KatsEye
As long as your sniper rifles shoot above 100 feet, your good to go. Thats the minimum engagement limit set for snipers. It's not only for safety but for tactical advantage as well. 100 feet gives you enough distance to hide effectively or scoot out when the situation is not ideal for you to do your job effectively.
Unfortunately the PNP circular limits airsoft rifles to 550fps using 0.20gram BBs. Sniper rifles shooting above 550fps are most often times used for plinking or precision shooting contests (non man versus man games).
@ Rene Lichauco
Punit nga hop rubber ko.. hahay.. hirap pa naman mag order neto rito sa amin. Meh suggestion ka sir regarding brand? Pangatlong hard hop rubber ko na eto eh.
Devastator
March 18th, 2010, 14:09
@ Rene Lichauco
Punit nga hop rubber ko.. hahay.. hirap pa naman mag order neto rito sa amin. Meh suggestion ka sir regarding brand? Pangatlong hard hop rubber ko na eto eh.
hanap kita sa hk pdi hop chamber ka ba?
Rene Lichauco
March 19th, 2010, 10:21
@ KatsEye
As long as your sniper rifles shoot above 100 feet, your good to go. Thats the minimum engagement limit set for snipers. It's not only for safety but for tactical advantage as well. 100 feet gives you enough distance to hide effectively or scoot out when the situation is not ideal for you to do your job effectively.
Unfortunately the PNP circular limits airsoft rifles to 550fps using 0.20gram BBs. Sniper rifles shooting above 550fps are most often times used for plinking or precision shooting contests (non man versus man games).
@ Rene Lichauco
Punit nga hop rubber ko.. hahay.. hirap pa naman mag order neto rito sa amin. Meh suggestion ka sir regarding brand? Pangatlong hard hop rubber ko na eto eh.
Hmm... beleive it or not, what i use in my PDI hop chamber is Madbull black or yung Regular guarder na pang 130sp lang...
They all have the same effects at 550++fps up kasi due to the shape of the chamber
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