Is AirSoft illegal or not?

[GrandFuhRer]

Originally Posted by Big Sarge

Atty, quick questions (a little OT):

1. AS registration/PTT renewal - is it still ongoing despite gunban?
2. What happens to PTT renewals once gunban is lifted? Would it continue?
3. If permanent gun ban would push through, what happens to the whole AS registration process?

TIA.

1. AS registration/PTT renewal - is it still ongoing despite gunban?

It is not sir BS. The Comelec Resolution No. 8714 (which is the subject of the petition) derived its mandate from R.A. No. 7166 on synchronized elections that specifically provides that the issuance of firearms licenses shall be suspended during the election period.

2. What happens to PTT renewals once gunban is lifted? Would it continue?

Yes following the requirements of the PNP rules. Unless, the PNP changed again its rules for reason that we don't know yet.

3. If permanent gun ban would push through, what happens to the whole AS registration process?

The basic requirement for this scenario to happen is that there must first be a law outrightly prohibiting the issuance of licenses or permanently prohibiting guns. Even the PNP will have no more say on this.

If this happens the whole registration process will stop - it's goodbye to all of us...balik underground uli kapag ganito at mas deadly kasi baka lagyan na ng criminal angle ang AS. Hindi katulad dati na maski walang registration puwede ang underground dahil hindi ka naman makukulong - kumpiskado lang AS mo and you can even questioned in court the confisctaion itself dahil wala naman talaga nagbabawal sa AS.

[Denski Sison]

Under LOI

1. Henceforth, the importation, manufacture, distribution, sale and display of toy firearms and explosives which, even if dissimilar to in some aspects, are replicas in appearance, measurements, color and parts as its genuine counterpart firearms and explosives, are prohibited.

2. The Ministers of Finance, Trade and Industry, Local Government and National Defense shall issue the necessary rules and regulations to implement these instructions.

3. The Philippine Constabulary/Integrated National Police is directed to confiscate all toy firearms and explosives such as described in paragraph 1 hereof, which are displayed or otherwise used for illegal or criminal purposes.

[eca™]

Originally Posted by Warspite

Wrong. I may not argue, but I definitely will reason out. We are still a country where the primacy of Rule of Law is the very foundation of our society. Call me idealistic, I'm sorry, its just that I've always been very principled. Grew up being taught that it merely takes the silence of good men for evil to triumph. Also I grew up with guns and have a healthy respect for them. I have both real steel and airsoft collections. My old man is a retired senior military officer with both sides of my family mostly in the armed services, plus I work for the judiciary, where we regularly berate PNP personnel for their ignorance of the laws and disregard of procedures. I do not share your fears. May I also say, that I personally know many individuals of like minds as I, so your generalization is misplaced.

good for you attorney, you know your rights, and you have an indepht knowledge of the law, but at the end of the day, it is to each his own, you said it yourself, "we regularly berate PNP personnel for their ignorance of the laws and disregard of procedures", what if the man in uniform i happen to reason out with is like the man you are saying, then its bye bye old me, because i don't have a gun, and the man in uniform has one.........in this age of ours where a lot of people has many problems, and one of them is the disregard of the law, one cannot fault another if we just keep our mouth shut..... but don't get me wrong sir, like you said, i am only reasoning out......peace bro

btw sir, i do not want to cross paths with you, because simply put, you have a real steel(gun) and i don't.........peace po tayo

mga mods, pake delete po kung medyo OT, sorry po in advance........

[Denski Sison]

Psst everyone can share their own personal opinions and thoughts as long as forum rules are followed.

Different people have different interpretations... these are all opinions. There are no wrong and right opinions.

In a forum, a balanced sharing of ideas is important. Two sides of the coin must be presented.

Just because one is a lawyer and the other is not... does not make the other wrong. If you can supply facts and concrete evidences, then you have the upper hand.

"Because I say so" is not a good reason.

Now behave you two and converse maturely. Politics and law are both very sensitive issues when discussed in a forum. Everyone must keep an open mind.

Present your case... let the readers decide who to side on.


Case in point:

I clearly have a different point of view with the thread starter. Both of us presented our opinions on the matter. Do we have animosity towards each other? No. We've met each other and subsiquently respects each other... this opens up a good and intellectual conversational atmosphere.


EDIT:

And by the way, we have airsofters who are PNP officials/personnel. It might not be good to generalize people and insult them. One has already read what has been written here and has expressed disgust. He may request me to do action but has not.

[Silverfox]

i agree with sir denski...our forum is for an exchange of ideas and opinion...we cannot exclude othes because they have contrary opinion to us...we can argue and state our cases but in the end there is no judge or jury who will say what we stated here in this forum is the only truth of the matter...but what is important that these points are discussed clearly and intelligently...personality attacks and bashing will not contribute to the soundness of an argument...para rin laban sa ideya...yung napipikon at di na makapagsalita ng matino ay kinukuha na lang sa baril para manalo sa argumento...does that mean he was right because he had a gun and ended the argument with his gun...no way, it only showed the shallowness of his person and idea that he needed a prop to bolster his idea...to me that is the lowest form of argument...

[Warspite]

Originally Posted by Denski Sison

Psst everyone can share their own personal opinions and thoughts as long as forum rules are followed.

Different people have different interpretations... these are all opinions. There are no wrong and right opinions.

In a forum, a balanced sharing of ideas is important. Two sides of the coin must be presented.

Just because one is a lawyer and the other is not... does not make the other wrong. If you can supply facts and concrete evidences, then you have the upper hand.

"Because I say so" is not a good reason.

Now behave you two and converse maturely. Politics and law are both very sensitive issues when discussed in a forum. Everyone must keep an open mind.

Present your case... let the readers decide who to side on.


Case in point:

I clearly have a different point of view with the thread starter. Both of us presented our opinions on the matter. Do we have animosity towards each other? No. We've met each other and subsiquently respects each other... this opens up a good and intellectual conversational atmosphere.


EDIT:

And by the way, we have airsofters who are PNP officials/personnel. It might not be good to generalize people and insult them. One has already read what has been written here and has expressed disgust. He may request me to do action but has not.

It was not my intention to cause offense. However, I do believe that the PNP or the AFP for that matter, should accept criticism when it is called for and due. Otherwise, these institutions will fall by the wayside. I am a reservist in the AFP, an institution that I revere and love, but it will not stop me from pointing out its shortcomings and flaws, as I wish to see it improve both in stature and competency. That is why I believe that the PNP and AFP should take criticisms constructively. Also what use is all this debate and exchange of ideas regarding our beloved sport if we are all going to shrink away from protecting our rights? If we are unwilling to stand up, then all this debate and exchange of ideas becomes pointless, moot and academic....an exercise in futility. Character is determined by action NOT words my friends. Food for thought, "One has no right to cry and complain over something one is unwilling to fight for like a man."

Point of fact, half my team is made up of PNP and AFP personnel, and they do not take offense at criticism.

[hyde6677]

sir tanong ko lng bakit ganun sila ka higpit sa airsoft guns e bkit ang airguns di nila pinag hihigpitan at isama sa gun ban nila,e mas pwedeng balahan ng tunay na bala ang airguns pwede siyang cal. .22, sample ko lang sir... d2 sa kavite merong bridge linking up to the province of bacoor and binakayan, pag mababaw ang tubig o yung tawag naming "kati" maraming namamaril o na mamana ng mga tilapya sa ibabaw ng tulay, lantaran ang pag didisplay nila ng airgun nila, siguro naman kailangan meron din silang licence o ptt owing such airguns diba?

[Warspite]

Originally Posted by Silverfox

i agree with sir denski...our forum is for an exchange of ideas and opinion...we cannot exclude othes because they have contrary opinion to us...we can argue and state our cases but in the end there is no judge or jury who will say what we stated here in this forum is the only truth of the matter...but what is important that these points are discussed clearly and intelligently...personality attacks and bashing will not contribute to the soundness of an argument...para rin laban sa ideya...yung napipikon at di na makapagsalita ng matino ay kinukuha na lang sa baril para manalo sa argumento...does that mean he was right because he had a gun and ended the argument with his gun...no way, it only showed the shallowness of his person and idea that he needed a prop to bolster his idea...to me that is the lowest form of argument...

There seems to be a miscommunication here. Please re-read the posts carefully. My esteemed friend from Rizal suggested that all arguments are silenced by guns. I merely gave a reaction and disagreed. I just wanted to point out that just because a man is wearing a uniform and has a gun, doesn't mean we should blindly surrender our rights to free speech and the right to bear arms. That's how tyranny starts.

---------- Post added at 18:04 ---------- Previous post was at 17:42 ----------

Originally Posted by ecavill2000

good for you attorney, you know your rights, and you have an indepht knowledge of the law, but at the end of the day, it is to each his own, you said it yourself, "we regularly berate PNP personnel for their ignorance of the laws and disregard of procedures", what if the man in uniform i happen to reason out with is like the man you are saying, then its bye bye old me, because i don't have a gun, and the man in uniform has one.........in this age of ours where a lot of people has many problems, and one of them is the disregard of the law, one cannot fault another if we just keep our mouth shut..... but don't get me wrong sir, like you said, i am only reasoning out......peace bro

btw sir, i do not want to cross paths with you, because simply put, you have a real steel(gun) and i don't.........peace po tayo

mga mods, pake delete po kung medyo OT, sorry po in advance........

Let us not appeal to the emotions (i.e. fallacy ad miserecordiam). It is the weakest form of argument. Issues are not settled that way. Argue from a logical standpoint.

[infidel06]

Originally Posted by ecavill2000

I for one would not want to argue with the so called men in uniform for the simple reason that they are the ones carrying guns, and mind you, you would not want to cross a person who is carrying a gun......

that's the reason why this people want a total ban on private ownership of firearms, so nobody can go againts them, if they become abusive.

if we can remember that genocide, started with the confiscation of all firearm in private ownership like in hitler,s germany, rwanda, soviet union and the congo,

[GrandFuhRer]

sir hyde6677, kasama sa gun ban ang airgun. Comelec Resolution No. 8714 includes airgun in the coverage of firearm.

Dito din sa amin sa Rizal madami din namamaril sa lawa. Sa tulay ng Javier makikita mo din sila. Ewan ko lang kung bakit hindi hinuhuli.